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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Sep 8, 2011 8:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Album Never Made

didn't Hunter have a single studio album in mind that was going to feature studio versions (obviously) of all the songs you've mentioned, as a sort of follow-up to "American Beauty" but, didn't the 'powers that be' whether that was just the management or the band coupled with the management decide on putting out the 'live' triple album (vinyl) that became the first manifestation of 'Europe '72'?

I kind of think that Hunter felt a bit cheated - I think what he really wanted was all the new songs to be concentrated on one album and not watered-down by being mixed-in with other already known songs which is how it turned out. That's what I think but I may be wrong - I usually am !!!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 8, 2011 9:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Album Never Made

My recollection is that it was their disenchantment with Warner Bros: they had a contract, with obligations to do X albums, and Jerry's solo, I think, counted, and then the three-fer, Euro, and Bear's Choice, finished it off, and it required a minimum of interaction with the folks they disliked (and the feeling was mutual). Then, they did their own thing with Wake...

Sumthin like that?

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Poster: yesss! Date: Sep 8, 2011 10:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Album Never Made

i do recall hunter saying that he wished that they had made a studio album of that material- and i wish they did too! had they gone into the studio in '72 and made a dead album instead of "Ace" (which i think is one of the better GD studio efforts) they would have had an amazing record. and if they had recorded earlier material that had only been released on live albums it could have included studio versions of bertha and wharf rat as well. imagine...

side one:

bertha
greatest story
ramble on rose
cassidy
brown eyed women
playin'

side two:

jack straw
tennessee jed
black throated wind
he's gone
looks like rain
wharf rat
saturday night

that runs a little long for an lp, but any of that material could have been amazing in the studio- especially if they did it like they did "Ace", using acoustic guitar, pedal steel, piano, organ, etc.. there may have even been some hits on there. oh well...

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Poster: GratefullyDeadInAfrica Date: Sep 9, 2011 10:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Album Never Made

"side one:

bertha
greatest story
ramble on rose
cassidy
brown eyed women
playin'

side two:

jack straw
tennessee jed
black throated wind
he's gone
looks like rain
wharf rat
saturday night"


Weren't some of these recorded on Weirs solo album(s)?

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Poster: yesss! Date: Sep 10, 2011 2:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Album Never Made

yes- the 1972 bob weir record "Ace". i'm not sure that i effectively communicated this but, in my post, i was trying to imagine a potential track list for a fantasy 1972 grateful dead record that could have existed had the band gone into the studio and recorded one proper album of material for the year instead of recording the "Ace" songs in the studio and the "E72" songs live. purely hypothetical and entirely irrelevant, but still fun to think about.

This post was modified by yesss! on 2011-09-10 09:42:00

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Sep 9, 2011 6:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Album Never Made

Only The Ramones could fit that many songs on one side of vinyl.


TOOTMO

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 9, 2011 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Album Never Made

GABA GABA HEY !

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Poster: sjanderson82 Date: Sep 9, 2011 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Album Never Made

my two favorite bands. 17 year-old me would have killed 29 year-old me.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 8, 2011 10:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Album Never Made

You're right - Hunter wanted the band to make another Workingman's/American Beauty type album called Ramblin' Rose, with these songs featured. But for whatever reason, it never came to fruition. As much as I love E72, I think it would have been very interesting to hear these tunes done in the studio...

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Sep 9, 2011 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Album Never Made

It was made clear at the time that the Dead recorded E-72 to offset the expenses of the tour itself. They played the Academy shows to raise funds to get across the ocean. Once there, they figured the numerous takes would provide a basis for a "live" l.p. which they would then overdub in the studio.
Thus, instead of paying for studio time and losing money on the European tour, they were able to have their cake and eat it too. When you think about the l.p.'s "audienceless" mix, the redone vocals, the touched up instrumentation (there are overdubs), E-72 is as much a studio recording as a live one.

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Poster: reviewr Date: Sep 9, 2011 6:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Album Never Made

I never thought of it before, but I guess the original E72 was a continuation of what they did with Anthem Of The Sun - mixing live and studio.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Sep 10, 2011 5:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Album Never Made

Skull and Roses was recorded the same way. But E-72 was mixed to sound more studio than live.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 10, 2011 6:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Album Never Made

Couldn't agree more; this was "the problem" with it at the time of its release, at least for us in the E Bay Area. It was too polished, too refined, to unlike what we expected. Also, far too homogenuous. I think this all derives from what you describe.

At a party, the ONE live album you could reach for to "reach" newbies, was always S&R, and of course, you also used the two 70 studio albums for this effort. And if you really wanted "live, dynamic DEAD energy" you played StSt-->Eleven...

Or, of course, 8-6-71.

:)

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